Anthony Marr to kids: How many think hunting is wrong? (Teach your children well)
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How many of you think that killing animals for fun (hunting) is wrong?" asked Anthony Marr. *****
"A 1985 study found that a child who learns aggression against living creatures is more likely to rape, abuse, and kill other humans as an adult"
The Obvious:
" A society that condones large scale, institutionalized, recreational killing of animals may be inadvertently encouraging susceptible individuals to commit acts of violence towards humans. Again, this is not new thinking. In the 1700's, German philosopher, Immanuel Kant said: "He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." Man deliberately torments, injures and kills other creatures as though they were created to provide him with amusement and sport. Such thinking is the height of absurdity, and evidence of moral degeneracy."
Children taught to extend justice, kindness, and mercy to animals become more just, kind and considerate in their relations with each other Character training along these lines will result in men and women of broader sympathies, more humane, more law-abiding in every respect more valuable citizens
When you teach a child to be kind to animals, you help pave the way to a brighter future for all living beings Animals benefit because the next generation has learned to treat them with respect and compassion, reducing instances of animal cruelty Children benefit because learning about compassion and empathy early in life builds moral character, reduces violence, and builds a sense of empowerment and responsibility And society as a whole benefits when its members are more caring towards each other and the animals who live among us Unfortunately, not all children are taught to be kind to animals
David Ludwig: A Case of Violent Results from Being Taught Violence http://www.all-creatures.org/sof/ludwig.html
violence begets more violence, and those who start off abusing animals often end up abusing people too People who deliberately abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against people, four times more likely to commit property crimes, and three times more likely to have a record for drug abuse or disorderly conduct than those who don't, according to a study by American Humane In fact, the FBI reportedly even uses reports of animal cruelty to assess the potential threat posed by suspected and known violent criminals One solution to ending the violence is humane education, which has recently begun to be widely recognized as an essential part of childhood education By reaching children early in life, and focusing on instilling respect and compassion for animals, the goal is to stop potential abusers before they start So far, the results are encouraging: 98 percent of teachers participating in the Humane Society's humane education program say that it has increased their students' concern about animal welfare And there are other humane education programs as well. But even if you're not a teacher, there are many things you can do to help teach children to be kind to animals The lessons they learn will last a lifetime
~Teach by example! Children learn much of what they know by watching those around them, so one of the best ways to teach children is by showing them that you care about animals. Take good care of your pets, including spaying and neutering them; involve children in building bird houses or walking shelter dogs Speak out when you see animals being mistreated, and encourage children to do the same ~Volunteer to visit a classroom, club or other group of children and talk to kids about kindness to animals Many local animal shelters and humane societies already have programs in place for humane education, so it's a good idea to start by talking to them first. Be an advocacy for all animals from deer, dogs, cows, pigs and chicken. (Anonymous)
Compassionate Kids Care About ANIMALS
In the study of psychopaths, it has been proven that people who are cruel to animals rarely stop there. In fact, the U.S. National Parent-Teacher Association Congress was quoted as saying the following:
"Children trained to extend justice, kindness, and mercy to animals become more just, kind, and considerate in their [relations] with one another. Character training along these lines in youth will result in men and women of broader sympathies; more law-abiding-in every respect more valuable-citizens."
Compassionate Kids learn about respect for ALL living creatures; that all living beings exist for their own reasons, not for our benefit as a superior species.
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Anthony Marr is the founder of HOPE (HEAL OUR PLANET EARTH) and DOE. (Deer Option Enterprise) Anthony Marr website HOPE (Heal Our Planet Earth) http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/
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And if Anthony Marr asked those children how many of them ate meat in the previous 24 hours, likely 96.8 percent of them - if they're like American adults - would have raised their hands.
What you fail to understand - or willfully ignore - is that there's a big difference between killing animals for meat and torturing them for fun. Big difference. Serial killers torture animals and people for kicks, enjoying their pain. Hunters typically kill for meat and endeavor for the cleanest shot - the most instantaneous death - possible. The last thing a hunter wants to see is a slow, painful death of an animal he or she has just shot.
I can see how you would assume that hunting animals in a day when you could just buy your meat at the store means hunters enjoy inflicting death. But it's not the case. And fyi, people who buy their meat at the store bear enormous responsibility for supporting the grotesque system of factory farming that DOES in fact torture animals by keeping them in disgusting and unnatural conditions.
I get that you don't want animals killed at all - your agenda is clear. And good for you if you want to be a vegetarian or vegan or whatever. However, that is no reason to twist facts and suggest that normal everyday hunting leads to a life of violent crime. That's just a flat-out lie.
You have got to be kidding me.! the statement was about children who tourture animals for needless pleasure, for nothing more than seeing them suffer. That does NOT include children who have bee taught to hunt..I work in wildlife rehab, and am VERY aware of the kinds of children that they were refering too..And those types of children are usually mentally ill or abused and misstreated themselves..They have never been taught the value of life, love or respect..
Why would you take a statement like that and distort it's meaning try to brainwash children into falce beliefs..
Hunters are the world biggest conservationist.. they know and love the animals that they hunt.
a true hunter will take the time to learn the animals behaviors and studdy them..Just because someone hunts does not mean that they run out and slaughter every living thing they see.. That is an extremist view and totally insane. Like I said before. I work in wild life rehab. but I would also like to say that I am a hunter and proud of it.. I have a very deep love for wildlife and find it highly insulting that anyone would try to misslead children like this article does..
You have got to be kidding me, and I suppose guns do the killing and not the individual behind the trigger in human homicide. And I bet your mommy spanked you as a child so you have issues. Hunters are the driving force behind good conservation and management of our wild places, creatures and their habitats. Every time I hear some tree hugging, stotted owl hugging, whale humping retard spout off about the mean old hunters, I have to laugh. Could you be so ignorant as to believe the lies you put down in print? I do agree that cruelty in any form is wrong, and should be treated as such. but as a hunter, conservationist and lover of all things natural and wild, I feel it is my duty to shed some light on your obvious ignorance of the facts. First of all, hunting has been used as a tool for managing wildlife for thousands of years, second of all every hunter out there will take offense to your words written. saying hunters are cruel and inhumane is like saying anyone who has sex is a pedoplile. Just because someone takes the life of an animal while hunting, does not mean that they are cruel or that they do not believe in moral and ethical harvest in order to ensure the survival of the species hunted. Every species on the planet is in peril because of habitat loss. Humans are expanding to the wild places, and animals are being harvested by hunters for sport, for meat, for hides, and to keep the populations in check. ensuring a future for these species.
"Ethical hunter" says "let the deer lay up and die"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw4MyyM1utc&feature=PlayList&p=12AB8CB45F0F47D4&index=5
I was not surprise at how heartless and so uncaring recreational hunters are they would rather let the deer "lay up and die" so they do not lose the trophy. The worst killers are the bowhunter because they know that the way the animal die is by hemorrhaging, drown in their blood, die in their own in their own poison or many are left wounded and crippled on the forest ground to die after days or even weeks unable to eat from their wound. Gun shot cause crippling and slow death as well (seen it on youtube videos) but nothing like what bowhunters do. Here is one quote from a hunters about tracking wounded deer. (now tell me if this is "caring")
A liver-shot deer. The liver lies against the diaphragm in the
approximate center of the deer. It is a definite killing shot. The blood trail will be decent to follow and the deer should bed down and die within 200 yards, if not pushed. A one-hour wait is best. The hair from the liver area is brownish gray and much shorter than the hair from the lung area. If you push the deer out of his bed, back off and wait another hour.
"if you push the deer out of his bed, back off and wait another hour"? Goes to show you that man was made to eat vegetation not kill animals because carnivores would not have to let the deer "lay up and die" they have speed and the knowledge to kill for food.
"Hunters are the world biggest conservationist.. they know and love the animals that they hunt. "
What is it that you "conserve" ? More land to kill animals and to propagate game animals so people like yourself a "conservationist" can kill them for "sports". ? why do they grown fawns they are crops and what is "fawn recruits"? That is so disgusting that you are "growing fawns" and so much time and money spend on creating large deer herd and big rack deer (supplement feeding) even though they can spread CWD but that is ok for hunters do it even though recreational hunters tell non-killers "oh don't feed those apple to the deer you spread diseases". Did you know that CWD was spread by supplement feeding rendered animals years ago? From deer and elk farming so they can grow large antler deer for coward little men to kill. Your "conservation" is a sham and you do not "love" any animals because causing pain and suffering is not "loving" and that is why hunters confuse young children telling them to kill for "sports' is great and its "tradition" and you "love" the animals. To kill is to "love"? What kind of "love" is that? I grew up respecting all lives even bugs and fishes and this day I try to teach young children all life is precious and we should not destroy them just because you can, we should try our best to help the animals, care for them, expose cruelty, and teach them that animal do suffer, feel fear and have desire to live and enjoy life just like you and I..
I bet you did not know (or yes you do) that many species of hunted animal have gotten smaller (body size) like deer, elk, and certain species of bear. Why do you suppose that happened? welllll, because the recreatiional hunters wants the biggest deer with the big rack or the big grizzlies so bubba can boast to others "hey look what I killed, a big bear" or "look at that big rack I can count, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ooo, its a 10 pointer, gee what should I do with myself"? PATHETIC!
"First of all, hunting has been used as a tool for managing wildlife for thousands of years"
Wow, "thousands of years"? Could it be possible that thousand of years ago they were actually killing for food and survival? lol. Please explain how they were "managing" wildlife then because I would assume the only "managing" they wanted to do was to survive .
Another thing about this kind of quote
"if you push the deer out of his bed, back off and wait another hour"?
Picture yourself as that deer and a man sitting there on the tree stand or where ever that bubbah is hiding till you die. How would you feel dying with excruciating pain and begging for man to take you out of your misery but he does not listen , does not hear you instead he just wants you to wait till you die so he not lose the trophy as in your case you have an extremely large nose he wants to collect.
Caroline, you would be a much more effective debater if you actually tried to understand what it is you're arguing against. All you're doing is surfing the net looking for quotes and videos that help you make your point. That is thin; anyone who knows anything about hunting knows that you know very, very little. This makes you ineffective.
To address some of your numerous comments here:
1. Just because people select an animal to shoot for its trophy value does not mean they don't eat the animal. The vast majority (95 percent) eat what they kill. Putting a head on the wall does not render meat below the neck inedible.
2. There are several reasons hunters let animals lie for an hour. One is that if you approach them, you may in fact push them further away. Caroline, do you think they suffer more holding still with a mortal wound or running? Another is that a wounded animal, when approached, may attack. I'm sure you don't care about that, but the goal of hunting is not hand-to-hand combat; it's getting the animal. We do not let animals sit because we enjoy watching them suffer. This is an ugly assumption on your part, and a flat-out lie.
3. Yep, buck meat can be rank. But guess what: In California, we are not allowed to kill does.
4. What state do you live in? We do not have a DNR in California. I thought this was an Auburn, Calif.-based website.
5. How much money do you spend preserving and restoring habitat? Yes, our conservation work is motivated by our ability to take a FRACTION of the animals that benefit from that habitat. A fraction of the animals must die every year - the land they occupy has a carrying capacity. With or without human hunters, this must happen.
6. Yes, hunters love and respect wildlife, nature and the circle of life. We embrace what we are - omnivores - and we take an active role in our diet, rather than ceding the difficult work to some poor slob in a slaughterhouse. We understand that for any animal - including humans - to eat, SOMETHING MUST DIE. Plants die. Animals die in farming the produces plant. Animals lose habitat to vast soybean fields that help feed vegetarians. None of us is free of inflicting death, but hunters take personal responsibility for this process, rather than sticking our heads in the sand.
7. Hunting HAS been used as a management tool for thousands of years. Study history.
8. Your portrayals of hunters are caricatures. Yes, the bubbas exist, but they are not the majority by a long shot. If the only way you can argue against hunting is to attack caricatures, then your arguments are pretty weak. That's why I don't argue against animal rights activists by portraying them as a bunch of naive, bleeding heart, hysterical, screed-writing whiners, even though I can - and frequently do - find examples of such people on the Internet.
And by the way, Caroline, I really don't care that you don't agree with me. I do not expect any of my statements to change your mind. I am not threatened by the tiny (3.2 percent) minority of people who don't eat meat. I only object to your lies, mischaracterizations and stereotypes.
To answer #1
Majority do not eat the meat especially the trophy animal killers that is why the pantries exists.
#2. all that could be prevented if you did not kill for "fun" don't you think so? The children in Ca. will be killing does soon from what i heard and I hope it will be stopped, there are deer birth control that can be used instead all this lethal killing.
#3 If buck meat is so "rank" then why kill them? Is deer the only food source around for you?!
#4. DNR, Fish and wildlife, fish and games etc etc all the same.
#5. Imagine if animal were not killed for "sports" and more people join wildlife watching for wildlife bring in so much money
Wildlife Watching
71 Million Participants
31% Of The Population
$40.5 Billion Spent
$7.65 Billion on Food & Lodging
Growing Business
Wildlife killing
12.5 Million Participants
5% Of The Population
$21.3 Billion Spent
$2.71 Billion on Food & Lodging
Mature Business and dying
How much money saved when its not put into burning vegetation, timber, clear cutting forest, planting food plots, growing "fawn crops" for your "fawn recruits" to replaced the slaughtered deer season after season? I heard deer management for hunting is getting expensive.? Plus I bet DVA's will go down once we start implementing deer birth control and maybe put bigger signs on hwys, fences etc. What a wonderful honest place you be living in, instead a place of pain and suffering and lies.
6. Hunters do not "love and respect" those are only word not action. To "love and respect" you want to cause the least amount of harm to them and definitely not to harm them for your recreational needs and wants. Mass killing of animals is not normal part of the animal biology that is why compensatory rebound happens and will continue to have abundance of deer year after year but of course that is the intention of the hunting industry, more deer means more revenue especially the antlered deer. Human could die too to become food for the carnivores and omnivores of the wild, even though I doubt grizzlies, cougars and wolves would want to eat humans if they are really hungry they will, so why don't you do your share for that "circle of life" and be meal for them. ? Overall with #6 all you are doing is making excuses.
7. Show me proof
8. My "portrayal" are no "caricatures" of hunters, its what I have read, viewed, encountered personally myself. Watch some these disgusting sadistic hunting snuff videos and read other hunters comments
Buckdown in your face!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kgdxvyoufg&feature=PlayList&p=3D7EFD6D45F88AEB&index=18
Here is my playlist of some of the hunting snuff videos I collected
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3D7EFD6D45F88AEB
There were more sadistic video but some were taken down though I saved and re uploaded them and put under "animal cruelty" where it should be shown to the public.
1. Caroline, that's just a lie. Show me proof that the majority of hunters don't eat what they kill. Seriously, you're just making that up, and it makes you look desperate and pathetic.
2. Suffering in life is inevitable. The suffering inflicted by human predators is WAY smaller than the suffering inflicted by wild animal predators, who will sometimes eat their prey alive, or spend six hours choking them.
3. I said male animals CAN taste rank, not that they all do. One of the reasons we hunt is that wild game is superior to farmed animals - tastes better, no hormones or antibiotics, and if the animals are no where near farms, no pesticides/herbicides either.
4. I was just trying to figure out if you're a Californian.
5. Wildlife watching doesn't support habitat. Wildlife watchers - only 32 percent of whom leave home to enjoy wildlife. (Source: U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service 2006 National Survey) - they don't pay the enormous fees and taxes we do to get licenses, use public lands, and purchase firearms and ammunition. Supporting hotels and restaurants (that serve meat) and gas stations does NOTHING for wildlife.
6. Wow, a snotty personal attack. You're a very big person, aren't you? Tell you what - you don't know what it's like to be a hunter. You don't know what I feel. Denying my feelings does not negate them - it just makes you look small.
7. I'll get back to you on that. I have an appointment at the moment and don't have time to thumb through my library for a citation. But meanwhile, feel free to show me your "proof" of your ridiculous lies here.
8. You are extrapolating. You are assuming that all hunters are the tiny minority of stereotypes you see. Flawed logic. Aren't you glad I don't portray all animal rights activists as hysterical, screed-writing whiners? See, I know there are plenty out there who can make their case without resorting to lies, caricatures and stereotypes.
Thats the most shallow and ignorant display of intellect, to associate treating animals with respect, love and compassion to hunting animals and torture is just plan wrong. Did you show the kids your video and then ask them to kill? I realize everyone was an opinion but please stay away from my kids witch where raised to respect everything and enjoy hunting and fishing. Last time I check they were not raping, abusing or killing anyone.
Caroline.. We eat mainly deer, elk, bear, rabbit and Fish. I Choose to NOT buy most of our food from a grocery story. and yes for 1000's of years, Native Americans managed the herds so that they could survive.. and it worked well... You have a right to your OPINION>> that is what makes this such a wonderful country to live in.. I find it funny that you think you know me well enough to say I do not love and respect the animals that I hunt, rehabilitate and hunt with.. I put my words into action every day, And as far as ..BIRTH CONTROL ..really,? you actually think that human/ chemical alteration is better for our wildlife? Well then it is a good thing that there are those of us who love and respect these animals still out there, to protect them from peole like you...I have never MASS killed anything. and why is it you would think that we (humans) are the only Omnivors created that should not hunt?
NorCalCazadora, I for one would like to thank you for trying to fight the good fight, but I think you are wasting your breath with this one. A distorted belief system that I don't think cares at all about our WILD lands.
You people need to grow up. Hunting has nothing to do with crime in kids. If you chose to not educate your kids right for wrong then you are the problem not hunting. I have hunted since I was 5 and I have tought my son and Grandkids to hunt and they know how to respect everything not just aminals. They respect life. So please pull your heads out of your ass and wipe the crap out or your eyes and see thing for what they really are. Quit butting blame where is should not be. PERIOD
You cannot explain, ethics, love or respect to someone. That is something that you will only truely understand once you have EXPERIENCE it. I do not try to forse my way of life on others,and believe that hunting is not for everyone. If you choose not to hunt, or eat certain foods, you have that right. I however, choose to hunt.... that does not make me evil, or a murderer, It makes me a hunter..
Eat wild meat, it does a body good. No Monsanto (chemical) pumped protein.
Can't believe I am even contributing to this nonsense!
Read the scriptures.
Talk about compassion?
Take these same kids to a local processing plant and show them how they really get their burgers/chicken tenders.
VERY FEW EXPERIENCE THE SORROW AFTER THE HARVEST,
MOST RECEIVE FROM THE VENDOR WITHOUT A CARE.
~ OD2
I am whiteotter's son, and as a teenage hunter and sportsman living in the western United States, i cannot believe how blind most enviromentalists are to the harm that would be done to the animals in which they are trying to "SAVE"... widespread disease would be triggered by overpopulation,due to loss of habitat........because there would no longer be any walk in areas, or fishing access for fellow men/women of the outdoors to enjoy, no more hiking, camping, or boating. ...instead, there would be new malls, and skyscrapers,...apartments, and gas stations. all because some stuck up, lawyer from California, who has never even been outside of the city, got a bill to pass and have all outdoorspoeple shut down...and for reference.. birth control will NEVER work on wildlife.. REMEMBER.. hunting is BAD...NO GUNS(even dart guns) you wouldn't want to hurt the poor Grizzly bear.
TwoHearts
Can you tell us the exact quote from the study done in 1985 because you’ve left out a few important facts. You’ve quoted just as PETA has quoted which is incorrect.
“A child who learns aggression against living creatures is more likely to rape, abuse, and kill other humans as an adult”. Read up on serial killers and you will find the act of violence is toward cats and dogs. Serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer impaled dogs heads, frogs and cats on sticks. Carroll Cole’s first act of violence as a child was strangling a puppy. Serial killers have many similar characteristics including physical and psychological abuse in their home.
This has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. Violence towards cats and dogs is illegal. Hunting is not. I am shocked that our school systems would allow such programs to take place. You think programs like this will reach a 10 year old that goes home to abuse? Or who has psychiatric problems and lights a dog on fire? Come on.
You want to help these kids then face the real facts. It has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. Most of the kids you speak of have psychiatric problems that no Humane Society's humane education program will ever heal.
I’m not a hunter but I will forever fight for their right.
Read www.iwmc.org/.../Randall-Eaton-Why-hunters-save-the-world.doc
1. After doing this for a while I learned their killing is not about food but I was not surprised . I was at one of the "hunters for hungry" website the hunters do not want to buy the tags unless they have a place to dump the bodies. I read the DNR ensure them that the there are pantries to give to. DNR cannot sell as many tags unless there are places where hunters can rid of the bodies after their done with the destruction for "Sports". Remember, I visit plenty of hunters websites, bloggers, forums, DNR, Fish and Games , whitetails videos etc etc
2. I have watched predators and prey killing especially the wolves and learned quiet a lot about them so I put this video together.
woves huntng vs. Hunters "hunting"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLSW1RGLhE&feature=channel_page
Animal kill for survival and some such as wolves may not even kill for another 2 weeks after the one big meal. Watch the video you may enjoy it.
3. So you don't consume any other animal product such as dairy including cheese, ice cream, etc? NO bacons or eggs? Did you know that a glass of milk has more hormone then the meat the you say you don't eat? And how about CWD and Mad deer disease that have killed hunters? Also pesticided are in urban deer carcass.
4. I am here for the people and the deer.
cont
What floors me the most is that people who claim to prize compassion and love for things animal and human can in fact be the most vicious of predators when cornered or crossed. I've seen people who claim to love every living creature advocate the killing of a hunter who had done nothing more than responsibly engage in a pastime he or she loves. My first piece of advice to those "compassionate" people who advocate such things is to clean up your own backyard before you start pointing out what you perceive to be the mess somewhere else.
I understand that there are people who don't choose to hunt. I personally don't hunt at this point. I do, however, know a great many people that do. I've read and heard stories of hunters who have felt sincere and deep anguish at losing an animal they might have shot. I've heard of many hunters who pray or have a moment of silence when a hunt is successful. I also know that hunters are one of the main forces for conservation in the country, as well as pumping millions if not billions of dollars into local economies.
To claim that hunting as children causes people to be serial killers or worse is misleading at best. It is the same logic that leads people to think that making laws that ban guns will stop gun crime. Both ideas are simply ways to attribute something that causes harm, criminal violence and psychopathic criminals, to something we can control. Sadly, that control is an illusion.
Wow! you are definately an extremist carilineTC. You and I are not going to see eye to eye on this issue, I believe that hunting is a great way for families to enjoy the outdoors together. You questioned my comment about hunters being conservationists for thousands of years. Until recently about 150 yrs ago human beings were in touch with the natural world and harvested from the earth everything they needed.. Never did the resources run out even though millions of hunters roamed the earth hunting everyday. Conservation was the key, only take what you need and nothing more.. Modern hunters have the luxury of not needing to harvest game,yet we still remain vigilant of habitat, herd numbers and other factors that decide the fate of our wildlife. I am sorry you are so closed minded about our position as human beings in this great circle of life.. Please don't brainwash the children with your personal agenda.. Their future and the future of wildlife everywhere depends on our teachings today. Two hundred years ago you and I would not have had this debate, you would have starved to death the first winter without wild game meat for nourishment.. not all hunters are conservationists, that is true.. but the vast majority are. Yet nearly every vegan bunny hugger I have met is a bios, self serving human hater, who use lies and deciet to further their cause. I conserve,I honor ,I respect, Nature... keep the children out of this,anything else would be uncivilized.
So , burning timbers, clear cutting forest, planting food crops for herd growth plus even supplement feeding to have huge antlered deer is to "benefit" the land? Who is the land to "benefit"?you? Its sad to think that the buck deer that I observed is going to be killed, only to be replaced by another that will also eventually be killed because you need to be "Sportsman" for self gratification. I just gave you the amount of money that comes from wildlife watching compared to wildlife killing yet you still think what you do is "better" lol!!!! Wildlife watching does not cause pain and suffering and thousand of animal left wounded to suffer and die, you do!
6. Small men kill innocent defenseless animals for "sports".
7. The "proof" is all from my own "investigation" that I do during my spare time
8. You kill for sports am I right? You destroy a life of a sentient being that could have lived another 5 to 10 years yet instead you kill them because they have something big that you don't have.
To the "whofitter"
destroying a life is not "respecting" no matter how much you want to convince yourself especial the land animals which is our closest relations and their pain and suffering is no different then ours.
To "whiteotter"
Even Native American despise trophy hunters especially the American hunters who kill and leave so many bodies wounded and crippled. Wasted killing just like the man did to the buffalo massacre . .
cont.
Here is a little bit about CWD/Mad Deer Disease that hunting industry help spread from supplement feeeding for big rack deer and large herd size.
"The US government insists that there is no British mad cow disease here,
but since the US refuses to do as other countries have done and extensively
test cattle, this claim rings hollow. We do know that we have other strains
of mad cow-type disease in the US, including scrapie in sheep, TME in mink,
and chronic wasting disease (CWD) in wild and farmed deer and elk. Could
these strains of TSE move into people, say, through infected venison
sausage? No one knows for sure, but the best available new evidence
indicates that yes, CWD could infect people. A National Institutes of
Health laboratory study has shown that CWD, like British mad cow disease,
can convert normal human prions into infected prions. Indeed we might have
already seen the first human deaths from mad deer disease. Three years ago
two young Western hunters, Doug McEwen and Jay Whitlock, came down with
so-called classic or sporadic CJD in their late twenties and died. In
1996 Kevin Boss, a Minnesotan who hunted there and in western Wisconsin,
died of CJD at age forty-one. Mary Reilly of Waupaca died not long ago of
CJD at age forty-three. These are a handful of young CJD deaths, but there
are more and they seem to be increasing."
cont
"No one knows what CWD or other US
strains of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) would look like in
humans, but as in Britain they would possibly first appear as increasing
cases of classic CJD in people under fifty years of age.
Unfortunately, both the federal and state governments are badly bungling
this issue and falsely reassuring people that what happened in Britain could
never happen here. The Centers for Disease Control should have made all
cases of human CJD reportable to monitor the true number, but in 1999
refused to do so."
http://www.maddeer.org/madmadmad.html
Here is from another one about Mad deer disease (hunters know all this that is why the pantries exist)
"The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, which relies on fees from hunting and fishing licenses, continues to reassure hunters there's no evidence that humans can catch CWD from consuming venison. It cautions hunters to avoid obviously ill animals (though deer may be infected without showing symptoms), and to wear rubber gloves when butchering deer and avoid cutting into or consuming neurological tissue. Some hunters too squeamish to eat their kill are donating the venison to pantries for the homeless."
"Some hunters too squeamish to eat their kill are donating the venison to pantries for the homeless."
How kind
http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/10/21/maddeer/index.html
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Unbelievable! I have been hunting since I was 10. I am a loving wife and mother. My children have all grown up hunting. My Parents and grandparents have grown up hunting. Not one of us has ever been even accused of any type of violent behavior. My kid asked me in their pre-teen years, "what's wrong with this venison?" the first time they ate beef. I agree there are probably some bad apples out there in the hunting industry. It is no different than any other culture, you are going to find bad people in any group if you look hard enough. Absoulutely there is a rush when you harvest an animal. The rush of finishing or closing the deal on all the hard work you did prior to the hunt is complete. Does that mean I want see the animal suffer? Not in any way shape or form. Nor does it make me want to hurt a human being. That is why I take the time to practice my skill to eliminate the prospect of that. I have been fortunate to live in Northern Wi all my life. Almost everyone here hunts and yet we have far less violence in our area than other places where people do not hunt. If your theories were true there should be no one left in our communities as we would have surely killed each other by now.
To the hunteswife, teaching violence begets violence and hunting is violence to the animals . You are causing unnecessary pain and suffering to the animals and animals cruelty is part of the whole "Sports' hunting scene.
I be back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs8PdDJlZp4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoni.com%2F~reaton%2Fvideos.html&feature=player_embedded ..... By the way the Buffalo were killed because of extremists who wanted to rid the land of a certain people.. My people ... they thought they were right .. just like you.. the numbers in this video are correct.. happy hunting ..Hawk
"Absoulutely there is a rush when you harvest an animal."
@wildlgirl
Please use the right word which is killing not "harvest" , even though it sound all nice and pretty they are sentient animals you have killed not a potatoes you pluck from the ground. When you harvest veggies they are ready to die and at the end of their lives , the animal had many more lives to live. Wildgirl, this is not about food hunting, its about sports so if your survival you do not need to be here. When you look at children that learn to kill its almost creepy and disturbing. These are video I collected though there are more
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2682BB4A150872AA
These children smiling as the animals suffering and even daddy all proud. Really disgusting.
@Hawkbrow, I am no "extremist" and if you think I am how come? And Hawkbrown again with the "harvest" if you are going to call animal slaughter a "harvest" then we may as well called hunters who are killed in hunting accident a "harvest" right?
Here is how hunters "respect" , "Honor", and "conserve" nature
Here is the videos first
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3D7EFD6D45F88AEB
here is my blogger with so many information on hunting and "conservation"
http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/
PS. How can you feel a "rush" when you are killing a living sentient being?
Mr. Kant was speaking of children abusing animals becoming abuisve as adults. Those that have been proven abusers started out doing so to pets; dogs, cats, gerbils, geese, hamsters, rabbits, etc. I have been a hunter for decades and never hurt any animals. In fact my job is to rehabilitate wild birds, hurt and orphaned, and put them back into the wild. I don't know of one responsible hunter that has ever, ever, abused the animals he or she were hunting. In fact you'll find that hunters of wild game are very compasionate to the animals they hunt. I, like many others, hunt for the freezer. The cost of packaged meat in the stores is horribly high and has high amounts of fat. Living on a set income means I can't go to the store and buy most meat products. Game meat is much healthier, has low fat content and the cost of a license works out to a small amount per pound. The packages of meat in supermarkets aren't born in that plastic wrap. The shoes, belts, purses and wallets people wear and carry don't come from magic spells. There isn't one person who reads the misinformation by Anthony Marr who does not use meat or leather in some way during their lifetime. Teaching kids by example includes teaching them the responsible way to hunt if that's what they want to do. That is how you get adults who revere life in all forms.
@whiteotter
You say
BIRTH CONTROL ..really,? you actually think that human/ chemical alteration is better for our wildlife? Well then it is a good thing that there are those of us who love and respect these animals still out there, to protect them from peole like you...I have never MASS killed anything. and why is it you would think that we (humans) are the only Omnivors created that should not hunt?
Its protein and cannot pass thru the food chain and been proven to be safe and effective. The product is getting more advanced each day and before you know it , they be taking over lethal "deer management" which is a sham anyway. I think once more people start to learn what "deer management" is really about the lies of "reduce population/dva" and of course pain and suffering inflicted on the animals, then we will be having IC in more places, guarantee.
"Well then it is a good thing that there are those of us who love and respect these animals still out there, to protect them from peole like you"
People like us who wants to keep the animal free from pain, suffering and death is "bad" but people like you shoot arrow or bullet into their body for recreational purpose is "good"? I can't imagine how you show "love and respect" to your family and friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs8PdDJlZp4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eoni.com%2F~reaton%2Fvideos.html&feature=player_embedded
That video was soo funny and I left a comment , first I am going to see if they will approve a video response lol!!
"I've read and heard stories of hunters who have felt sincere and deep anguish at losing an animal they might have shot. I've heard of many hunters who pray or have a moment of silence when a hunt is successful. "
That must have been a 10 pointer or more huh? its a bummer to lose that prize but much more of a bummer to the animal who suffered because you wanted to be "sportsman".
Who do you pray to? Satan because God would be sick of people like you
"I've seen people who claim to love every living creature advocate the killing of a hunter who had done nothing more than responsibly engage in a pastime he or she loves."
Who would say such a thing as to advocate killing a heartless human? We don't advocate things like that , hunters do not need our help they doing a fine job killing themselves and each other in hunting accidents.
2009
http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-center.html
2008
http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/accident-archive.html#sh
"Those that have been proven abusers started out doing so to pets; dogs, cats, gerbils, geese, hamsters, rabbits, etc. "
Obviously they are pets but rabbit too are hunted and are are inflict with such immense cruelty. Look at this video and if this was your pet it would considered cruelty but "thank god" for legalized cruelty because you can say "hey its wild rabbit and wild deer so we can cause cruelty to them but not to rabbit we brought at pet stores or deer that we adopted. "
Please people watch this video of a sports hunters shooting rabbits with an arrow. Where do we draw the line of what is animal cruelty what is not? If its legal it not animal cruelty meaning the animals body is somehow different legal killing then when its illegal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZMnvuti4o&annotation_id=annotation_398035&feature=iv
"In fact my job is to rehabilitate wild birds, hurt and orphaned, and put them back into the wild."
You suffer from moral schizophrenia
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/a-classic-of-moral-schizophrenia/
I'm one of those kids that are spoken of, as is many of my friends are. Funny, none of us are mass murderers nor have we so much as been in jail. Perhaps a speeding ticket once in a while? maybe....
These same people that hunt, fish, or just live in the country represent the fiber of these United States.
Think of it in terms as this....most who post negative comments about hunting, or the killing of animals would disgust their own Grandparents or Great-Grandparents who lived in a way where THEY themselves had to kill and butcher their own animals.
I read recently where a newspaper clipping was admonishing hunters for killing animals and that they should get their meat from stores where animals didn't have to be killed.
Who can believe incomplete thinking such as this? Do these people really think no animals were harmed in the processing of meat in a grocery store?
If you are one that has visited hunting sites, and have come away with thoughts that hunters are there for the killing alone then you missed itMost hunters that I know and hunt with would be appalled if anyone was to talk that way.
For me, its the challenge to meet an animal on his playing field, in his home. The taking of a life saddens me, but growing up on a farm I've realized that it is a very large part of life. The bigger racks mean a more challenging animal, that is dominant. In essence a more profound trophy.
There isn't room here to go on, and there is no way to …
PS-in the wild.....animals don't die of old age.
If you think they do, you are very ignorant, and should spend some time in the woods.
jana's hubby.
The author of this article has blatantly blended fact & opinion; a common trap into which many armchair "researchers" fall. Furthermore, the "citations" (and I use that term very loosely) in this author's article & the subsequent comments comprise of YouTube videos & organizational websites. There are no proper references of statistics and facts from peer-reviewed life sciences journals, agriculture journals or criminology journals to support the premise to your argument (take note I didn't even mention the impact rating of the journal. Any reference at this point would be an improvement). There is nothing factual or believable in the author's article or comments. The editor should be fired.
Some commenters assumed the author was an extremist because of the abundance of inflammatory language mixed with the subjective obstruction of fact throughout the text. To prove a point, one must state the premise, back it up with unbiased fact, & draw conclusions. The author has failed on all accoutns.
The term "harvest" stated by some commenters was used correctly. The definition of harvest is "the consequence of an effort or activity", or more plainly "to reap or gather". From a lexicographic viewpoint, it can be equally applied to animals and plants.
In conclusion, the author needs to stop citing references from YouTube and start reading journals, start talking to professors, to farmers, to police & to game wardens. Find out "why" and gather unbiased facts first hand.
I have to laugh each time I read the recreational hunters comments, they try to sound so poetic and beautiful like the pain and suffering inflicted onto the animals for "fun" is so "heirtigy" Do not try to paint a pretty picture because it will not work, I am in a middle of a video project and in front of me are several dozen photos of hunters smiling their disgusting evil smile holding the murdered animals by their antler and its making me want to vomit!
In Grandma and Grandpa days they most likley hunted for food and to feed family not for "sports".
That "recently read in the paper" is this
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Umeno46/fail-owned-meat-origin-fail.jpg
I told them this is written by a hunter or meatarian not an ARA or vegans. They must have used up everything from the "vegetarian are evil" website so they came up new one to take focus off themselves.
"Who can believe incomplete thinking such as this? Do these people really think no animals were harmed in the processing of meat in a grocery store?"
"these people" are your people who typed that up. Anyone with a ounce of brain cells know that slaughterhouse animals suffer but so does the animals in the wild. In the wild there is no law to the extent of cruelty a human waste can inflict on the innocent animals because no one is there to witness and hunters know that its legal to cause cruelty.
cont
You know in the beginning I used be outraged by youtube allowing hunters to upload their disgusting snuff videos but then I thought, gee no one really knew what happens to the animals in their own home until youtube came along and hunters decided "wow, cruelty is legal so I am going to show others what I can to do to the animals" I have seen so many horrific death on youtube and now the pubic are learning that animals do suffer and hunters are disgustingly cruel. I believe hunters are digging their own graves because now we have proof, its not your words against information written on paper, we have it all on the tube RAW.
In one breath he says this
"The taking of a life saddens me,"
Then in the next breath he quotes this.
"The bigger racks mean a more challenging animal, that is dominant. In essence a more profound trophy. "
And now you know why decent human despise recreational hunters and you are not "sadden" by nothing, your cold heart could give a damn about any animals.
"PS-in the wild.....animals don't die of old age.If you think they do, you are very ignorant, and should spend some time in the woods."
Neither does most human today but we do not go out there and kill them intentionally do we?
"The term "harvest" stated by some commenters was used correctly. The definition of harvest is "the consequence of an effort or activity", or more plainly "to reap or gather". From a lexicographic viewpoint, it can be equally applied to animals and plants."
Why don't you google "harvest" you wont see one single dead animals on images, especially that of trophy hunted deer. None, nada. Only your kind would think killing a sentient animals is "harvest"
"In conclusion, the author needs to stop citing references from YouTube and start reading journals, start talking to professors, to farmers, to police & to game wardens. Find out "why" and gather unbiased facts first hand. "
Its not "reference" from youtube its raw fact because its a haven for recreational animal killers. We all know hunters love to show off their destruction to other bubbah maybe to feel "important"? Kind of remind me of this article.
"The Killing Field"
http://www.garethpatterson.com/Killing/killing.htm
"For me and many of the people who contact me to offer their support, killing innocent animals for self-gratification is no different from killing innocent people for self-gratification. By extension, then, trophy hunting--the repeated killing of wild animals--should surely be viewed as serial killing."
cont.
This is why recreational hunters hang out in youtube.
"Hunting magazines contain page after page of (a) pictures of hunters, weapon in hand, posing in dominating positions over their lifeless victims, (b) advertisements offering a huge range of trophy hunts, and (c) stories of hunters' "exciting" experience of "near misses" and danger.
These pages no doubt titillate the hunter, fueling his own fantasies and encouraging him to plan more and more trophy hunts.
Trophy hunters often hire a camera person to film their entire hunts in the bush, including the actual moments when animals are shot and when they die. These films are made to be viewed later at will, presumably for self-gratification purposes and to show to other people--again the longing "to be important" factor?"
As far as "references" and information, many are from DNR, "Deer Management", "buck management", Game commissions", "Fish and Wildlife" "Fish and Game" etc etc. Here is my blogger you can see how I study these sites and read then I post blog from info I have found. The funny thing is that it's definitely true what ARA and anti-hunting been saying for many many years like the clear cutting forest, burning timber, planting food crops, killing predators, spreading diseases and causing deer vehicle accidents.
http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/
Now its time for bed.
Caroline:
"7. The "proof" is all from my own "investigation" that I do during my spare time "
Really? Totally lame. Let me know what percentage of hunters post videos of their hunts on YouTube and we can talk then about the statistical validity of your "investigations" which only seek evidence to prove your point, not to actually learn.
But I'm glad you finally got a sympathetic commenter. I was starting to feel bad for you. Not surprised, though - hunters outnumber vegetarians in this country nearly 2-to-1, and we outnumber vegans 12-to-1. That's why your arguments ring hollow: Humans eat meat. Most understand that animals must die in order for us to eat them.
Many of us are perfectly happy being homo sapiens. But hey, if you'd like to go start your own new species, go for it. Go find yourself a nice planet where no animals (including your species) kill any other animals. Then enjoy as life comes to a screeching halt in one generation. This is life, Caroline. You think an animal killed by a hunter would've lived another 10-12 years if it weren't for that hunter, but that's a false assumption. Life is struggle. Death is all around us. Yes, even for hunters. And yes, BTW, I know that I could be eaten by a mountain lion or bear too (and I'd taste damn good because my diet is almost entirely organic/sustainable/wild). And if that happens, that's life. It's not personal. It's not aggression. It's how we live.
Now, I'm outta here. I'm done with your screeching, venomous tirade. I've got to get ready for a fishing trip.
But if I find you pushing more lies, Caroline, I'll be back - I'm more than happy to spend my free time pointing out holes in your logic. But I really do have better things to do, so feel free to stick to facts and sound logic.
Move on Nor and hopefully one day you will have a spiritual awakening of some kind and realize that killing animals for "sports" is totally wrong and also when you ramble the way you ramble is because you know what you do is WRONG and you hate the people seeing what hunters are really about. .
"Humans eat meat. Most understand that animals must die in order for us to eat them. "
First of all, human do not have to eat meat , second of all what you do is not about "eating meat" because I know you still eat store bought meat and then on top of that, spend thousand of dollars on equipment to kill animals for "sports". If you look at the hunting websites and all the doodads and nick nacks that ones spends to be "sportsman" and "hunter' you would laugh at how pathetic hunters are trying to convince the public their killing about "food".
"Many of us are perfectly happy being homo sapiens. But hey, if you'd like to go start your own new species, go for it. Go find yourself a nice planet where no animals (including your species) kill any other animals"
""Many of us are perfectly happy being homo sapiens."
You mean you have to kill animals for "sports" to be a HOmo sapiens?? That means 95% of the public are not "Homo sapiens? You seem to be a tad confused with carnivores that have to kill in order to survive and their killing is about hunger where your killing is about "sports". Hunters would have their scrambled egg breakfast and coffee as they head out the door, get on their pathetic tree stand with baits and lure to destroy life for sports so they can do this...
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu85/painful1_2009/100_0006.jpg
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Can't you people go shed hunting rather then destroying a life?!!, A LIFE you have destroyed for no reason but for "sports" when there are tons of other sports you can get into yet you decide killing is what you want, you want to hold onto the large boned antler maybe because hunters suffers from sexual inadequacy and holding something big makes them feel "manly" or even if its not a buck deer some just love to kill animals and listen to them wail in pain because they know they can get away with it.
Wow...are we talking about apples or oranges? We have three boys, one of them (7) goes hunting with his father, NEVER have I caught him strolling through the halls hunting down our pets... NOW taking them into one of our leading electronic stores and finding them ALL excited over a 3D killing computer game.... Scares the heck out of me. So about those apples and oranges, we have THOUSANDS of kids so called hunting for fun in our own living rooms... Write a story on that. NOT something that people have been doing since the beginning of time...
I always hear from hunters this "beginning of time" can you tell me exactly when this "beginning of time" began so I know when man began hunting?
hell of a lot longer than we have been around, I'm not talking to my kids you know what the heck I mean...and I'm not a hunter I'm a mom, that doesn't agree with my step son hunting for one thing because he is way to young to be carrying ANYTHING with that much power at his little finger tips. Still this isn't my point, there is a huge difference between hunting and killing any and all animals for fun
"Still this isn't my point, there is a huge difference between hunting and killing any and all animals for fun "
But what you don't seem to understand that is not a necessity at all so why even have children learn to kill even at later age? Instead why can't we teach our children to love and respect life? Its scary to think the kind of human the children will be hanging around with because sports hunters are sadistic heartess people who really do not care about anyone but themselves.
Do you know how many different kinds of animals are slaughtered for sports? from krane, swan, doves, turkey, rabbits, bear, wolves, bobcats, elk, deer, the list can go on and on so long as the animals are not in the endangered list they are used as living targets for little men with cold heart.
CarolineTC, you have failed to understand my recommendations. YouTube does is neither “raw fact” nor will it ever be. I've seen a squirrel on YouTube waterskiing. I've also seen a cat on YouTube flush a toilet. Using your logic, all cats can flush toilets & all squirrels can water ski. You cite some YouTube videos as your "research" & extrapolate that to all hunters. Count the number of hunters worldwide, then count the number of hunting videos on YouTube. The resulting number will be the fraction of hunters who post on YouTube. This fraction will tell you how reliable your extrapolation will be. Researchers call this the “power” of the study. Underpowered research papers are ignored. Doing the above math, you will find your YouTube research is underpowered.
Your article attempts to use the logic from a published study on the psychology of sociopathic children, & poorly extrapolate a common element (killing of animals) to hunting. There is no commonality. The study used a selected set of diagnosed sociopaths & reported common elements of their behavior. To make your argument work, all kids who are introduced to hunting would have to be previously similarly diagnosed by a doctor.
Go to PubMed & research the psychological impact of hunting on children. Search the criminology journal database for the number of children who hunt & later murder. Stop using Google & YouTube. If you’re going to comment on the psychology of children hunters, please use …
Regarding the use of the term “harvest”, I read a newspaper article last week about an infant who died in hospital & the parents made the difficult decision to donate the baby’s organs. The journalist reported that the organs were “harvested”.
Given your previous comments, if you were the journalist, you would have written that the parents slaughtered their helpless infant & ripped out her organs? Do you see how your inflammatory language is not helpful in proving your premise?
The term “harvest” can correctly be used for animals, plants, organs, & computer data. It can also refer to a time period. Additionally, do some research on PubMed (the medical journal database), & you will see it is acceptable to use the term harvest in reference to animal research.
Your first comment is nothing but pointless rambling. Youtube and many other hunting video channels that hunters have is proof of how the animals suffer and die in the their own home and the heartlessness of the recreational hunters. Youtube is a haven for the wildlife serial killers to show off their destruction plus there are other sites such as "bowhuntvideo " "whitetail hunt video" etc. I find the "extended link" below the video I have because somehow recreational hunters want me and those who care about our animals to see their disgusting site. I don't think the hunters snuff video is exactly "animal stunt" video its raw and disgusting and REAL. Let the public judge for themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3D7EFD6D45F88AEB
This is the video I have collected though some of the video have been deleted by the owner or the youtube. What we do now is in the fall deer killing season many of us keep our eyes out on the hunters snuff videos that comes in and we then collect them on file (video piggy). This way we can re upload and put it under 'animal cruelty", sadism, animals right, etc because the public needs to see facts, not lies from the hunting public of "ethical hunters" and "quick ethical kill" all euphemistic pretty words which is beyond nauseating.
"Regarding the use of the term “harvest”, I read a newspaper article last week about an infant who died in hospital & the parents made the difficult decision to donate the baby’s organs. The journalist reported that the organs were “harvested”."
The organ is a not running for its life is it? the life was not destroyed for "fun" was it? The organ is not suffering and wailing in pain is it? The organ (thank God for organ donors) was "harvested" it was taken out of a persons body to save another human life. Veggies do not run either because its meant to be picked some are dried up like the rice field. What you do to the sentient animals is destroy them for "sports' and trophy, nothing to do with "harvest" , its KILLING , SLAUGHTER, MURDER but not "harvest".
My first comment is pointless rambling? I provided it to you as a courtesy to demonstrate valid unbiased research, and to show you your flawed logic. It is clear my attempt to improve your journalistic integrity has failed. Your passion is evident; however, you are blinded by it. You fail to step back and look at the bigger picture.
From your replies I can see you truly don't "get it". Lack of education? Stubbornness? Mixture of both? Regardless, your unwillingness to use the tools I suggested to find the unbiased truth demonstrates your irrational mindframe. Instead of a "thank you" for pointing you in the direction to the answers you seek, you reply with more inflammatory language.
It is clear you are happy in your rut as a classless blogger. A journalist, a researcher, a wildlife biologist you are not.
Scott,
I am sick and tired of the same excuses I been hearing for years , if you all love to destroy wildlife for sports just admit that you love to kill for self gratification and that you are selfiish human being with no compassion nor mercy what so ever rather then covering up with words such as "harvesting", "conservation", "wildlife management" when we know its all crap. You and your kind can continue to spout your lies and excuses because all I see is the images of deer thrashing and crying in pain, then bubbah smiling holding their victims either by the ears or the antler (most time by the antler). I see the bubba on the tree stand asking the other bubbah "did you get that on camera"? or hunters wooping it up with their "smack down" or "buck down in your face" "whitetails gets ventilated", "bambie gets owned" etc etc etc. Killing for sports is totally evil and wrong and every decent human out there with an ounce of compassion would agree.
I usually try not to get involved in these debates since it,s a no win situation but after reading that report i just have to respond.I,m real proud my family hunts and enjoys the whole process from time spent together afield,time at the cabin to enjoying the meat from the various animals we are fortunate to take.For us it has never been about actually getting something(though we take our fair share)it,s about quality time with friends and family and unexplainable peace while spending time afield.I,m not much for words but I,d rather be outdoors with my kids(yes that includes hunting -harvesting-and eating wild game!!!!)than having my kids watching T.V. or playing video games!!!We as hunters with good ethics and respect for all things wild don,t tell you bunny huggers how to run your life so don,t go away mad--JUST GO AWAY!!!!!Think hard when you put on your leather shoes-grab your leather purse and sit in your car with leather seats just what you rattle on about next time!!Lloyd
"I,d rather be outdoors with my kids(yes that includes hunting -harvesting-and eating wild game!!!!)than having my kids watching T.V. or playing video games!!"
You can't go out with your kids, camera in hands (camera are everywhere and good price for kids) and teach them photography of animals (alive) and talk to them about how to love and respect all Gods creation? Or you can be outdoors and learn to paint/draw wildlife, meditate, go hiking, bird watching, camping, canoeing, horse back riding, etc etc etc. Why does it have to involve killing? You "respect" all things wild yet you have something against "bunny hugger"? And there is leather here but this subject is not about wearing leathers.
There is "no" leather here, correction.
I just got back from a fishing trip. FYI, all read up on the Robinson-Pitman Act. You will see for yourselves where the majority of the funds come from. It is the hunters not “bird watchers” that fund our wild life restoration and habitat. That is a fact.
This is a perfect example of the misinformation I’ve been writing about. Carolinetc has been spreading this misinformation for some time now. The study was NOT about hunters; it was about kids that abuse their pets. Most families that expose their children to the outdoors, hunting and fishing have closer relationships with their children. Thanks for the laugh, Carolinetc, once again.
"It is the hunters not “bird watchers” that fund our wild life restoration and habitat. That is a fact. "
I hear about Robinson/Pitttman all the time same with Ted Roosevelt which means nothing to me because its all controlled by greedy bloodthirsty Government and when you have that , you have lies and corruption. Slaughtering animals for "sports' benefits nothing and this, my friend, is what they brag about.
Body Count - ANIMALS KILLED ANNUALLY By Sportsman/Hunters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hG-7hPNcg&feature=channel_page
I do like to use video I put together because it comes from my heart. It devastates me to see such horrific slaughtering of so many innocent life in the name of "recreation".
"The study was NOT about hunters;"
The study was about hunters cruelty and pet cruelty because cruelty is cruelty the only different is one is legal and the other is not.
"Man deliberately torments, injures and kills other creatures as though they were created to provide him with amusement and sport."
Which is what recreational hunting is about and the mentality of the wildlife killers as if the animal were put on earth for their self gratification and "sports".
The study wasn’t about hunters at all. It was about children who abuse their pets. You are too easy to expose. You may ignore the Pitman-Robinson Act all you want, but it doesn’t negate the truth. It is the hunters who supply all of the funds for these animals. Without the hunters, many animals would die a slow, horrible death, but you don’t care. You don’t really care about the animals. All you care about is getting your way and stopping a great American heritage. You’re not getting anywhere. You make yourself look…...
Partick50 I realize you only want to hear what you to hear and the rest you pretend its not true, typical republican animal killers.
"Without the hunters, many animals would die a slow, horrible death, but you don’t care."
Tell that to the thousands upon thousands of innocent wildlife that sportkillers leave wounded and crippled every years.
No Caroline, I take in all the information that I obtain and asses it for what I think it is. You are part of a “special interest group” that considers only information, true or false, that may support your agenda. I have proven you to be dishonest and, of course, your sources as well. The only thing you have proven for everyone to read is that you are extremely ignorant and very close to being illiterate.
One more thought, since you love to use God in this weak debate of yours. Please read this from the Bible. “Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.” Genesis: 9:3
"The only thing you have proven for everyone to read is that you are extremely ignorant and very close to being illiterate."
The only way you feel you can "win" is by insulting my grammar which does not bother me what so ever because people are listening, watching and learning.
“Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.” Genesis: 9:3"
God only granted temporary permission to consume flesh after the flood. God wanted to end the killing and flesh eating but man was too selfish and that is why God asked to drain the blood for blood is life is a soul. All being that have blood in their vein is capable of suffering so you think God would allow man to use his beautiful creation as object for sports and trophy like the pathetic "Christian Bowhunters" ?That is blasphemy to God. Jesus came to end the killing and the bloodshed and many of his vegetarian and writing of peace and non-violence to all creation is written in the Essene Gospel of Peace .
Carolinetc, I “won” by proving you wrong on all accounts. I have the thousands of biologists on my side. You have only a few activists on your side. I don’t usually mention the grammar, spelling or sentence structure of posters, but you are beyond anything I have ever read from an adult. Your lack of education does impede your ability to open your mind and learn from others that have more knowledge with regards to a subject. Yes, people are listening and learning what a liar you are. You aren’t turning anyone; you only speak to your very tiny choir. I give you a quote from the Bible and you dispute it. I did this because you were attempting to bring God into this. Now we see that you are a bigot toward Christians. I can only imagine what the Lord has in store for those that attempt to use his words to deceive.
Oh how horrible for me to talk about God of compassion, kindness and mercy while you talk about the "God " of killing, pain, suffering and bloodshed. That is why there is something very wrong with the wildlife killing community and their sick and warped mentality where their "God" sounds like satan himself.
Patrick50 I pretty much OWN you because you are obsessed with me and everything I know about this disgusting recreational hunting and their lies and the reality of the animals suffering. If I was just an "activist" why be here? Go and work as a "wildlife biologist" like you and every slob hunter and create large deer herd and land to use as a killing fields.
He has "thousands of wildlife biologist on is side" hahhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Carolinetc, or who ever you have writing this in your name, it certainly isn’t you, Caroline. You own me? (LOL). Thank you for the laugh. I quoted the Bible, the same God you were misrepresenting. Yes, I do have the majority of biologists on my side. I notice you can’t refute that. Hey!!! I guess I own you, too. We own each other; isn’t that romantic? What a Nut Case. LOL
carolinetc These are her words
"bloodshed" "warped mentality" "OWN" "animals suffering" "killing fields"
You sound like a monster.
"Go and work as a "wildlife biologist" like you and every slob hunter and create large deer herd and land to use as a killing fields.
He has "thousands of wildlife biologist on is side" hahhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Yeah, who knows more.....wildlife biologists or carolineTC: Google Expert?
Your "wildlife biologist" are only interested in creating large and sorry I don't use euphemistic words when describing hunting like you all do with "harvested" "taken" , "wildlife management" "ethical hunters" "ethically harvested", "quick clean kill" "dispatched" etc etc etc because wildlife killing industry is not a pretty picture at all.
I think it’s pretty, pretty tasty. :)
Right caroline. that's what we spent our entire lives trying to do.....create large deer herds. MS is full of farm land....soybeans, corn, rice, etc. If anything farmland creates large deer herds; not hunters. These sentient beings were responsible for destroying over $500k in crops last year just in my county alone. Each year we test non lethal methods to relocate these and provide alternative food sources for them to feed on instead of crops. According to the farmers, the best methods to reduce crop destruction has been hunting. and it's not the killing of these animals that helps; it's the pressure put on the deer by hunters that saves crops.
Junker there is non-lethal deer options mainly deer birth control that is what we need. By now we all know that killing does not work because of the ecological principal known as compensatory rebound. Sudden drop in deer population, more food availability, more fawn birth, killing predators and viola, you got large herd over and over again with no end in site. Great for the DNR to rake in blood money and good for the sick wildlife serial killers to have excuses to kill especially the large antlered deer.
"Each year we test non lethal methods to relocate these and provide alternative food sources for them to feed on instead of crops"
What is this "non-lethal deer method " that CA is testing ? Please provide this information plus this is quote from "deer management" website which pretty much all works the same.
"Managing for proper nutrition in white-tailed deer is important for good body condition, good fawn production and recruitment, and maximum antler growth. Good nutrition can be accomplished by doing three things that involve proper habitat management, supplemental feeding, and the planting of food plots."
"planting of food plots" "fawn production" (not "reduction" but "production".)
Yes, Junker, please explain why all of the Biologists agree that hunting the deer works so well and accumulates funds for the state. Don’t you know, it’s the anti-hunters that know far more than the biologists? It would be far better to go to a laborious and potentially dangerous system of birth control for the deer, and it allows the state to lose millions in funds each year. In fact, the state can pay out monies for the laborious task of giving the deer birth control. LOL Now, doesn’t everyone feel better?
Here is a comment from Jay
Kirkpatrick, Ph.D., a prize winning wildlife researcher with more than 20
years experience in the filed of contraception and wildlife reproduction.
"I could go on, and cite dozens of other papers regarding the
use and safety of this vaccine in other species (some 50 of them, including
a lot of primates) but I think the point is made. Finally, the vaccine is a
protein and ninth grade biology students who are paying attention in class
know that proteins can't pass through the food chain. Does this all sound
unsafe?"
Deer birth control? really? i don't think we've reached that point around here....i can't speak for New Jersey. Man and deer have been living with each other for a while. We have a lot of deer around here but we also have tons of acreage reserved and protected for our wildlife. And yes it is open to the public for hunting. That was not its intended purpose but it gives hunters with limited means a place to go. Also, there are many folks around here with limited means.....people that hunt and fish as much as they can to stock their feezers. A buddy of mine loves his deer meat. ...If he's not eating deer burgers, then its deer spaghetti, or deer meatloaf. I know you don't like it and you never will; but hunting is legal. Its going to remain legal.
Very Good Statistics Caroline To NorCalCazadora, you are the one who is not understanding what you are arguing. Your provincial backwards ways are done, face it. Time to move into the next century "hunters"! The statistics show that hunters are a dieing breed of the past, with only statistics of 5%-8% at best depending on the state. Most people do not hunt, and do not advocate for killing animals for pleasure. People will be educated with the information needed to put a stop to a small group of psychotics that are getting away with murdering animals at this time. This will stop in the near future, so educate yourselves to another form of "entertainment" "Hunters", and come into this century, or go live in the desert caves and hunt yourselves to extinction!
With ignorant people like dominique and caroline trying to educate the public; i doubt hunting is going anywhere. If hunting was not allowed in the county where i live; in two years you wouldn't be able to drive to the store without hitting a deer, turkey, coyote, etc..
and carolinetc....i don't care what you reports you google for your retort; but i know my county and the animal density population.
Thanks for the laugh again, girls. All Carolinetc can put up is the same “single” Kirkpatrick. He is all alone out there, totally out numbered. Dominique, You’re so funny. Thanks for the laugh. Hunting is here to stay. I’ll be hunting soon. Even though majority of the population doesn’t hunt, they support hunters’ rights to hunt. We’re here to stay, baby. There’s nothing you can do about it. :)
Hunters put forth the funds to protect the habitat the animals use and the funds for the animals as well. We provide money to the states while doing these things. Anti-hunters cost the state money and want to become an even more expense to the state.
Nobody is safe when deer decide to attack!
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2599099
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1258792
I live in MIddletown, New Jersey and my pet beagle was gored by a deer this last November. The antlers ripped my dogs stomach wide open, her pacreas were outside her stomach and her intestines were dragging on the ground. Obviously we had to put her to sleep, surgery was an option but would be massive and exploratory with no guarantees.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeA5ow7cS1c
http://www.berrymaninstitute.org/journal/spring2009/hubbard_nielsen_sp09.pdf
http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=10402233
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/wildlife_news_humor/87920
Va officials say deer attack 3 in Pulaski County - Topix
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1068861_deer_attack_absolutely_disgusting
patrick is a quality poster and i appreciate that
"Even though majority of the population doesn’t hunt, they support hunters’ rights to hunt. We’re here to stay, baby. There’s nothing you can do about it. :)"
Go up anyone in the street and ask would they support killing animal for sports and I will guarantee you that just about everyone will say NO except your own disgusting kind. The only reason why hunters still have the support is because of the lies, euphemism, whitewash and of course fear of DVA's. Even my sister used once think that hunting was necessary because of DVA's but never realize that as the result of hunting DVA has gone up and she also never realized how sadistic and disgusting humans who kills animal for fun are and how these animals actually die.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3D7EFD6D45F88AEB
The public are learning about the lies of "wildlife management" "conservation" and all the other euphemistic words and whitewash used by the hunting community. Soon your supporters is going to be dropping one by one and be totally disgusted by human waste like the recreational hunters and their cronies.
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/119712.html
Hunters know the reputation is very fragile that is why they have to keep one step ahead of us when new facts come out or video showing cruelty because they know people are getting fed up with sports killers and their terrorism to innocent wildlife and human life..
PS. The hunting public also …
Thank you dominique :)
Also junker you are spamming all my videos with same "deer attack" link
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/119712.html
Carolinetc, There have been polls taken about hunting. The majority of the populace supports it. Those are the facts. We just keep exposing your lies, so the public doesn’t get snyoped by your dishonest, criminal minded people. We have the majority of the people on our side; we have the law on our side, and we have the truth on our side. Sorry, Baby. You lose! :)
The lady on Caroline’s video that stated “there were deer lying dead all over my yard” was referring to deer that died as a result of decease. Please notice how the video is so chopped up. It is edited so she can mislead the public. She never shows the entire statement the person is making. Tis, tis, Caroline; you’ve been exposed again. :)
Patrick50 try taking that poll by asking the public do you support killing animal for fun lets see what kind of support you will get. The use of lies, fear, euphemism and whitewash is why some people still support it. Hunting public continue to mislead the people about deer birth control which is available and it works so the public fear they have no choice but to chose the lethal even though so many people do want to chose the non-lethal compassionate choice that works and people are also learning that "deer management" is a sham and that hunting does not work in fact "deer management" is about "producing" deer herd for recreational purpose. They love their fancy whitewash words of "wildlife management" "tradition" "conservation" "starvation" ......
Also the hunting people ask this poll they ask ALL hunting not just "sports" hunting , ALL meaning those who have to kill for survival so they sneak anything to help support recreational killing. Plus hunting public loves mangled cars from DVA's because fear is what keeps public approval
Lets ask again - who support killing animal for no reason what so ever but for sports and trophy? Only your disgusting will raise hands.
"The lady on Caroline’s video that stated “there were deer lying dead all over my yard” was referring to deer that died as a result of decease."
That was the bodies left by bowhunters and you are talking about this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzGjczzAwIc&feature=channel_page
Patrick just love his lies,your nose must be pretty long.
You sound like a broken record. If you ask a question like that, anyone would answer no, but if you ask the question in an honest way, they will support hunting. Hunters fund all of their activities and provided the resources for the wild life. We’ve gone through this before, Caroline, and you never address it; you avoid it because you know I’m right. Any other method would be laborious and cost the state money; we create funds, while providing game management. You cost money. We’re here to stay. Get used to it.
The only place this "fund" goes to is to create land to use as a killing field and to propagate game animals to kill!
http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=19
"deer management" website talks about 'creating whitetails for sports hunting is getting expensive"
Here is the video
Shame on Placer Country CA for pushing child bowhunting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-tQwrvKNeo&feature=channel_page
3 Reasons why hunting causes high Deer Vehicle Accidents year after year after year...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnnpkhe8WQ&feature=channel_page