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Islamophobia: As Unacceptable As Anti-Semitism (Pt. 2 of 2)

... However, the surprising gains made by Geert Wilders' Freedom Party in the Netherlands, the Danish People's Party, the Austrian Freedom Party (FPÖ), Hungarian Jobbik, and the British National Party in the recent European parliament elections emboldened many of their leaders to applaud the Swiss vote and encourage similar prohibitions.

Wilders, the leader of the anti-Muslim Freedom Party in the Netherlands, who previously warned that mass deportation of millions of Muslims from Europe may be necessary, called for a vote to stem the "tide of Islamisation" in the Netherlands.

The far-right persistently refuses to face a 21st century reality - to acknowledge and accept the fact that Muslims are part of the mosaic of their nations.

Islam is now a European religion, and, in fact, the second largest religion in many European countries. No longer predominantly first generation immigrants, many are second and third generation citizens.

Despite the acts and continued threat from a very small but dangerous minority of extremists, the majority of Muslims, like their non-Muslim fellow compatriots, are loyal citizens.

The Swiss ban, like some other European countries' policies, highlights a failure of Western liberalism and raises fundamental questions about religious discrimination and freedom of religion.

While there are only four minarets in Switzerland, a country that is home to approximately 400,000 Muslims, supporters of the referendum mindlessly charge that the minaret is a political symbol of militant Islam.

This makes about as much sense as saying that church steeples symbolise militant Christianity.

Western political and religious opinion-makers and the media will need to resolutely address the dangers of Islamophobia as aggressively as they do other forms of hate speech and hate crimes, ranging from racial discrimination to anti-Semitism.

European Muslims will need to continue to speak out publicly, demanding their rights as European citizens and residents and also denouncing religious discrimination and violence as well as limits placed on constructing churches in the Muslim world.

Globalisation and an increasingly multicultural and multi-religious West tests the mettle of cherished democratic principles and values.

Islamophobia, which is becoming a social cancer, must be recognised and be as unacceptable as anti-Semitism, a threat to the very fabric of our democratic, pluralistic way of life.

The continued threat and response to global terrorism coupled with the resurgence of xenophobia and cultural racism have contributed to threaten the fundamentals of liberal democracies in the West and their Muslim citizens in particular.

The fine line between distinguishing between the faith of Islam and those who commit violence and terror in the name of Islam, between the majority of mainstream Muslims and the acts of a minority of Muslim extremists and terrorists, must be maintained.

Blurring these distinctions risks the adoption of foreign and domestic policies that promote a clash rather than co-existence of cultures. They play into the hands of preachers of hate (Muslim and non-Muslim), religious and political leaders, and political commentators whose rhetoric incites and demonises, alienates and marginalises.

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Here is the REAL issue... If a muslim majority takes place... Many probably fear what would then happen to their country. Just maybe that is what fuels the fear... human nature ..... like it or not.

In a "truely Islamic" run government, all people in our country would benefit, such as that of Spain in the Middle Ages when Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together in peace. There would be more freedom to practice peaceful religions, more education of the young, better hospitals, more justice for the different classes. This comes from what Islam teaches and from those who gather it's fruit. I for one, would welcome this and there may come a day when the majority of people in our country will also.

And once a radical majority gained power... what would you do... cave in and be forced into silence... or stand up and shout out like we are able to do now?

Observer, It is not the "truely Islamic" that are the problem It is the radical mulahs and their followers. Islam was a positive force in the 1200's. I have sympathy for the "turely Islamic" because they are suffering the crimes committed and cultural questioning caused by the actions of the radical element in their religion.

Lonewolf - The only radical thing I see among my Muslim friends is their devotion to God and the teaching of the Qur'an, which is basically the teaching of Jesus, just in greater detail. They teach no compulsion...in other words, they do not force their religion on others which is why you don't see them in the streets shouting above the voices of others. What they do teach is allowing others to practice their own religion...Muhammad (PBUH) went so far as to order his followers to defend the lives, property and places of worship of the Christians and Jews in his vicinity.

Peaceful demonstration and righteous defense of others rights is always the right thing to do...

Again... the problem that instills fear is the radical sector... The peaceful tend to cave in under the strict violent heavy handed way of that type of treatment. Power seems to get misused by many different rulers... some is just covered it up better.

Observer...is this the current practice in the middle eastern governments. Can we as christians freely walk and teach christianity?

Jon - Yes, your words are true. That is why I speak up for Muslims. Truely misunderstood in this day & age.

Lonewolf - Again, words that ring true. There is nothing new about imperialism, oppression, greed, arrogance, neglect, hatred, deceit...

Obewan - You can not lump any peoples into a group such as "middle eastern governments." There are places in the Middle East where true Christianity, true Judaism and true Islam is practiced, all in community with each other. For that matter, there are peoples in different places of this world who live as one ought with their neighbors, who put many of us to shame. We all need to understand our neighbors, as they should desire to understand us. This takes effort. We should always be willing to be taught, to be influenced, if by nothing else, by other's examples. Then the hearing of words become reality and are much easier to imitate. You can not teach what you do not possess...

It would appear with so many different belief systems throughout the world.. we will constantly struggle for compatibility and peace. The fact that something can be taught..does not make what is being taught...actually the truth.

Obsever, is it only the media that shows the pictures of women veiled and treated somewhat like women were treated before the women's movement in this country? "The feminist movement of the 60s did much to gain recognition for women’s rights in the United States. But what it failed to do was recognize that men and women are different and women shouldn’t be exactly like men because they aren’t men. Islam recognizes this major point, but what many Muslims fail to understand is that just because men and women are different, this doesn’t mean that men are made to do only "A", and women are made to do only "B". There is more overlap in their roles and contributions to society than there is clear-cut specialization. Women belong in certain roles wheras men belong in others but this does not give precedence to one over the other."

essortment

http://www.ediscoverislam.com/About-Islam/Women-in-Islam/islam-the-choice-of-thinking-women

Islam The Choice of Thinking Women

Obewan - Truth (with a capital T) is truth. What the major religions of the world know, they share in common "Truth". Where there is Truth, there is Peace...

Fourgen - If you are speaking of women in berkas and the mindset behind it, yes it is overboard. You will find the same type, although not as severe, type of thinking that comes from Christians who because of their own arrogance and selfishness, believe men are superior to women. God created man and women in his own image. I like to think of it as two complimentary sides, or images of the Creator Himself. Yes, like others, many Muslims seem to tend to twist the words of the Qu'ran to fit their own selfish desires, but then many do not. The Qu'ran gives a much more favorable view of women than does the Bible, but we must understand that when the Bible was being written, the beliefs of the Jews and Gentiles of that time, were not what we have come to believe today, for good reason. Islam has long been in favor of women's education and careers. God is not dead and he has been revealing more and more to man as time (our concept of it) goes forward. I will check out the link - thanks for your good words :-)

Fourgen - I read the article. Fantastic! It should be a "must-read" before one is allowed a marriage license! I am a blessed woman because my husband already believes most of this :-)

Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim country, with 88 percent of its citizens (about 200 million) identifying themselves as Muslim.

The Indonesian Government officially recognizes six religions; Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism. Small communities of Jews and Animists go unmolested as well. The Indonesian Constitution states "every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice" and "guarantees all persons the freedom of worship, each according to his/her own religion or belief". The current government seems to be doing a good job at universal religious toleration.

Update on: UPDATE: Malaysia: Contradictory statements over caning sentence

The International Solidarity Network, Women Living Under Muslim Laws (WLUML), and the Global Campaign to Stop Killing and Stoning Women! (SKSW) are greatly concerned that the caning of Madam Kartika will shortly take place, possibly in secret.

Women banned from wearing trousers

Source: Jakarta Post

"We have issued the regulation to further enforce Islamic sharia granted by the central government," Ramli told The Jakarta Post by phone on Tuesday.

To anticipate the huge number of slacks to be cut by police during raids, the West Aceh regency administration has prepared around 7,000 long skirts, which will be provided for free to those caught wearing trousers.

According to Ramli, the new regulation will be effective as of Jan. 1, 2010.

That would be Indonesia!

Observer...Truth....here is a good one to read..then could you please clarify if these two pages are true for me. Simply change the 1 to a 2 for the next page in the header. With so much Truth running around ....we sure have had a great deal of fighting now........ for thousands of years.......

http://www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv1.html

lonewolf,

That would NOT be Indonesia.

You cite a proposed local ordinance effective only in the West Aceh district. Aceh has implemented partial Sharia law and is the only province to do so in all of Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation. In the same way, public schools throughout Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, etc. still teach as literal truth the creation myths found in the book of Genesis, even though the ADL and other Jewish organizations, the courts and the Constitution all oppose it. And that would be in the southern USA.

BTW, 1.2 billion believers profess Islam, the world's fastest-growing religion. Get used to it.

You know, I never gave Muslims a second thought until they started killing us. Please name a Democratic Muslim led Government. Please name a Muslim country that treats women like human beings and not property. If you like them, fine, and as long as they don't try to shove their beliefs up my nose that's fine but I really don't see that happening. Check out what is happening in England and France just to name two countries and please don't come back with gobbledigook, my son lives in England and has seen the demonstrations, the threats, etc. I don't practice any religion so I'm not basing my comments due to the difference(s) that may exist, I could care less about that.

Go to a Muslim led country and try to have the same constitutional freedoms they are afforded in this country and all other non Muslim countries they are moving to.

Last but not least, if their religion and their countries are so great why are they leaving them by the millions?

It may be fun to be a contrarian but trying to cover the sun with one finger has never worked unless you poked your eye out with that finger, then you will never see out of that eye again.

One last question. Does anyone condone Americaphobia? It seems to be rampant among Muslims.

I think it is high time for me to take a sabbatical. Too much hypocrisy in this pages.

A few months ago these same people were calling for the destruction of Israel, siding with the Palestinians and their rocket attacks. Oh wait, that was nothing against th Jews, it was against the Government, but yet they complain when action is taken against the Muslim regimes that harbor sworn enemies of our country. When Palestinian shower rockets on Israel are the casualties the Government or innocent people? If you are going to condemn attacks on religion and Governments at least show some semblance of honesty.

Anyway, this is getting too deep for me and I only have a pair of chest waders. I'll be gone until after the Holidays, Christmas to be exact.

Loomis: I agree... we should quell the tide of foreigners coming from:

1. The country that has threatened America more than once.

2. A people bent on the destruction of the American way of life, ie. "death to capitalism".

3. A country with a religion that differers from our forefathers.

4. The country who has a killed US Soldiers.

5. The country who's people come here in droves... illegally, no less.

6. A country who's people seems determined and bent on "revolution".

7. A terrible human rights record.

I'm speaking, of course, about Cuba. Why do we let "those" people in here when they've shown time and time again that they themselves are incapable of running a decent country? Hmmm....

Speaking of hypocrisy: There's not much I find more hypocritical than a xenophobic foreigner. I, for my part, have remained consistent in my belief in human rights... regardless of politics. Some of us don't wave with the tides every time the Moon circles the Earth.

Skeptic - Indonesia seems to speak it well. Thanks. Also, yes, Islam is right behind Catholicism (not "Christianity")in numbers. Yes...I believe very soon that Islam will be the number one religion in the world. As a Catholic, I do not have any problem with this whatsoever. While many Catholics don't know this, Islam and Catholicism are more closely related that Islam and any other Christian doctrine. Islam is a holy way of life and does not deny Jesus (sees him a bit different) or Mary...in fact it calls Mary as being of the greatest among women and speaks much more of her than do others outside of Catholicism. :-)

Lonewolf - Sharia law is practiced in part, by much of those in the world who practice Judaism, Christianity as well as Islam. Some are more pious than others. It means "way" or "path" of following God's laws, in Arabic. While I do not believe in forcing this on anyone, I have found peace & satisfaction from observing God's laws. I highly recommend it to anyone who is seeking God...

Obewan - The Truth is there to be found. This truth is not dependant on you or me. It is...all by itself. There is no such thing as truth for you and truth for me, only those who desire it to be so.

Loomis - Muslims did not start killing us. Currently, Osama Bin Laden and his type of people have been killing us and not matter what he professes, he is not practicing Islam as most of the Muslim world practices. Have you ever read the Old Testament? If you have, you could start pulling out scripture that tells you God orders you to kill every man, woman and child in a region...spare no one (read about Jacob)

I am surprised that you would not understand what living in oppressive conditions, war, confinement, does to people, or how terribly unjust it is to, under fear of reprisal, to accept utter poverty with no one who hears your cry for help. You of all people should be the biggest advocate for those who have endured what you have seen...or did you just forget?

...should have read "not what he professes"

LOOMISRES, please don't leave. you are one of the most polite and sane posters on this site and would be missed by alot of us out here. Birch and Observer cannot do anything in moderation and continue to push envelopes way too far. They do everything in extremes. In many ways they are trolls for their causes just as they accuse others of being.

I avoid many subjects now because I don't feel like arguing with a condescending know-it-all attitude. Its not honest debate anymore. Your voice of true moderation cannot be seen by those who choose to be blind to it..

If you choose to leave then, have a wondrous holiday season with the family. I hope you're enjoying the snow!!

Observer - The anti-Muslim faction acts as though people wake up one morning and think, "I believe I'll become a terrorist today." This ignores two facts; first, nothing happens in a vacuum, and second, the current anti-US anger is directed against the injustice of US foreign policy and has been building for many, many years. While I cannot excuse 9-11, bin Laden noted that it's silly to say "they hate us for our freedom" because if that were really true he would have attacked Sweden.

Skeptic: I think the Swiss aught to tear down all the steeples and crosses that represent the invading Semitic religion of the East and replace them with statues of the great pre-Christian bear-god Artio. I mean... if you're gonna go for it... go for it, right?

I wrote god... I meant to put goddess. Forgive me, Artio.

Keepingupdated - You are right about our lack of moderation, but then nothing was ever accomplished by moderation...except for pleasure. I don't suppose the cries of those who have no voice is ever loud enough for the walking dead. Thank you for such a notable compliment. I am always concerned that I don't do enough :-)

Sceptic - You are right about the hatred stirred up by others who have been the victims of our foreign policy. Of course, the actions of Bin Laden were deplorable and unacceptable, but the people of this country need to ask why the hatred is there, do their history homework and then ask themselves if they really care. We most likely will have another attack and from the looks of things in politics, we may be fueling that fire ourselves.

What if we were not there? Remember... many countries still war f given the chance. Iraq into kuwait .... I have read plenty of how the republican army treated the ladies... it was not pretty. Its seems that it will always be a bad world out there....

Lonewolf - War should always be the last choice. We must walk carefully and thoughtfully on this planet. It won't matter what anyone else did or said...we are each accountable for our own actions and deeds. Never too late to turn it around, no matter what we have done

If I had a choice.... I would march our military into some nations and clean them up! There are so many that suffer day in and day out! Nobody cares or is willing to step up!

lonewolf, form a big line of their military in front of our military. Impose a draft if there is no military or even if there is. Brutal.

Denial: The willful refusal to accept the truth. (Part 1 of 1)

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/029-torture.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html

I meant to post this correction this morning in regards to my own comment to Loomis earlier. I meant to use the word "immigrant" rather than "foreigner." Foreigner denotes some sort of lower class and that was not my intent.

Lonewolf: The utilization of forces for humanitarian purposes is a noble idea, I'll give you that. I think, however, that our government has used that excuse too many times in the past and it's really just a cry for something else... colonialism. The people of Sudan (Darfur), for example, are a good example of people that truly need help. But I don't know if I want us to play World Police. We haven't been very successful at "Nation Building" much in my lifetime. I'm not sure what the answer to that is. I guess I'd like to see a UN with some teeth and let those kinds of problems be theirs... we could thereby participate with a true coalition of forces rather than the "Coalition of the Unwilling" that we now have in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Mr.ex21: I just looked at the site and you really can't expect that to be taken seriously, can you?

How about this one... Denial: a psychological defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality.

:P

Having lived in several Middle Eastern countries and Europe over the last ten years; I can assure you Europe is very concerned about Islamic migration. The reason for the migration has been the outstanding social programs that are offered by the EU. Not because the immigrants wanted to be in a European democracy but they wanted an Islamic state with benefits; benefits that could not be provided in the corrupt Islamic state they are fleeing from.

In the extremely tolerant Islamic societies that you mention it is totally unacceptable for anyone to marry outside their religion and we do not even want to go to the acceptance of a gay population. In most Islamic states the way any other religious cultures are treated is called “dhimmitude” this is the word for accepted prejudicial practices against anyone who is of a different faith.

Your article seems to allude to the invertible tide and the World’s tolerance of intolerable situation. There is a strong move in the UK to not teach the Holocaust as history because it is offensive. If the Western world needs to change without any accountability from the Islamic world, than we might as well say we give up; you are right. I think this is a poor attitude that reinforces the Islamic view that we are a weak society and easily exploited by half truths and a smiling faces.

I encourage anyone to ask questions but do not temper this ability with preconceived notions of political correctness that allows traditional …

@loomisresident see how much more simple it is and sounds when you speak about what is right on the surface.you can spend hours digging for reasons to defend old or new muslim ideals or practices but minority or majority the fact of the matter is that muslims really do hate our ideals. Some americans for that matter would even point out our own flaws as a nation but to think of us as paranoid is a little off base. I really think that we go a bit far by feeling as though we should not feel the clear difference. It may be a small minority but those "small minority" sure make "major" statements. There is something to be said about our natural sense of self preservation.

Observer..Thats a good one..."Of course, the actions of Bin Laden were deplorable and unacceptable"...a great Truth... no doubt. Once a paid agent.. always a paid agent. Now are you aware of the construction going on in Afghanistan and what does this construction have to do with Bin Laden...please explain this construction program for me and how it will help us catch this formidable enemy we have only seen on video tape. Now I want the truth and or are we just killing two birds with the one stone...and or... were any of these coincidences and then the past 8 years of construction events........ planned by smarter people than you and I? Lets look for the Truth.....

There is mass construction efforts going on in Afghanistan; roads, schools, buildings, government offices. This has multipurpose objective; employment for locals, roads that will unite the country geographically and politically and schools so you have a population that asks questions not only of radical Islam but of us and our intentions.

There are a lot of good things happening but enduring progress will not be made until there is security. So I suppose that answers part of your question. I guess the other part of the question is Bin Laden or his kind will be back without a strong centralized Democratic government and roads give a country the since of being connected. The Romans had that part down.

I think part of what you are getting at is: are we nation building and the answer is yes; but it is required to ensure this will not happen again. History will probably tell you we learned this lesson in WWI.

bombender: You're not the only one who has spent time in the Middle East. I lived there for a time... I never saw anyone who was forced to marry within the religion. In fact, in Islam when the other spouse is, say Jewish or Christian, the Muslim spouse is not allowed to convert the other. This is a fact.

Terrorists are intolerable... Muslims are not. You're painting with far too broad of a stroke.

The construction in Afghanistan is fro a pipeline from the Caspian.

Ok, I just had a cup of coffee...

bombender: The problem with statements like "I've been to Europe and the Middle East" is that yours and my experiences are totally subjective. Two people can be at the same accident scene and see two completely different accidents.

The Romans stretched their empire too far and too thin... this was their folly.

Again... the problem is when a radical form gets a foothold.... The very poor and uneducated become easy targets and convert as they have been left out for so long. You can read as to how the radical form of islam spreads.... Some times they are tolerant of other religions....however, they usually are not tolerant within their own!

Birch.. I am on cup 2.... hurry up!

I'm trying, Lonewolf! Stop yelling at me!

Oh, settle down, Birch... (ahem) I agree that a lack of education coupled with poverty is a breeding ground for extremism. I believe the literacy rate for Afghanistan, for example, is maybe ten percent. The level of poverty is also staggering. What are we going to do... stay there for as generation or two until both of those numbers go up? I'm not sure the American public has the stomach for all that.

It's true that Sunnis and Shias do not get along. They're like what the Catholics and Protestants were some time ago... cats and dogs. I think that somewhere around 80-85 percent of Muslims are Sunnis, we seem to have a better record of dealing with Sunnis... just not by force.

lonewolf - You do not cast out demons...with more demons.

bombender - that's funny because when I go to mosque to pray with Muslims, I am very warmly welcomed. When I go to Ba'ha meetings, I am very warmly welcomed. I am openly Catholic. Could it be that the extremely tolerant Islamic societies you speak of are not so tolerant?

Edv3rd - I am not sure what ideals you speak of. Islamic "ideals" are of a religious and spiritual matter. American ideals are of a government or a nation (non-religious). These are two completely separate issues.

on nationbuilding...I am all for helping the people of Afghanistan to progress. I believe it will help them to eradicate fringe groups that keep rearing their ugly heads. This will take some time and effort, probably by more than one nation. I heard yesterday that only 10% of the people are literate. They need much humanitarian efforts, or better said, people around them who care to understand their plight and want for the people of Afghanistan, the same that they want for their own children. I hope the goals we have are upright

The fragile human mind is very simple to manipulate .......

BirchBricker you are right; about all situations being subjective and the mental formula for the same situation that equals 10 to me could add up to five to you. I could spend time researching your comment about marrige but its not worth it. I think we will all agree that in downtown USA it would not be an issue what religion someone was if they got married; I do not beleive this to be the same in most of the Muslim world. I could have painted using a broad brush on some of my comments but you are using a Wagner Power Painter ( not endoreing product) on the comment about the Caspian. I think it shows a belif that we as a nation never have a goal that is not motivated by a lust for oil and everything we do is tainted by it. I cannot except that but maybe I mutiplied and you divided.

Funny, Birch now acknowledges the extremism is the problem, yet Observer says being extremist is a compliment. Must make for an interesting house.

You two really don't realize the mixed messages you employ as you slam one viewpoint with both and turn around and fully embrace it's mirror image.

Birch, I used to think you were consistent. Your position on war, yes. Not-so-much on many other things.

Obewan says it all with his latest statement.

When you step outside the box...and learn the Truth...you start to realize that insanity is often a rampant choice........

Obewan - True, but wisdom is a mighty sword

Bombender - (sure like that name) According to Sura 5 (The Food), Verse 5, in the Qu'ran, it is lawful for a Muslim to marry Jews and Christians. "This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture (Jews & Christians) is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture (Jews & Christians) before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.

In Sura 5, verses 82-85, it states ..."you will surely find the nearest in affection to the believers are those who said, "We are Nasara (the followers of Jesus). This is because there are among them men who believe the Truth, and they are not arrogant."

keeping...surely you know I was trying to have fun with you. There are some things we should be extreme about, but with much patience and a clear mind. You will find, if you ever come to know my husband, that he is "extremely" consistent :-) Now, whether a person understands him or agrees with him or not (?), he is consistent. He has spent many years contemplating these things, through thick & thin. It is the one thing that drew me to him and I am not easily drawn :-)

keepingupdated: I have no idea what you're talking about. Observer and I aren't one and the same person. I have remained consistent on my stance as much as, I suppose, humanly possible. If Observer's opinion differs from mine... so be it.

Peace

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