Chris,

What are the real issues, in your opinion, facing our nation?

Sincerely,

Robert Capp

There is a difference between a terrorist, and a member of Al Qaida or some other organized terror organization seeking to commit mass murder.

Most people have no problem with the fact that Timothy McVeigh was tried and convicted in a federal court.

The rule should be simple. If you are NOT a US citizen and you are engaged in terror, Guantanamo. If you are a US Citizen and engaged in terror, US courts.

PS: Do you also consider keeping prisoners in Guantanamo a non-issue? I do.

Chris;

You forgot to list virtually EVERY reason given to vote for Obama... all NON-Issues.

Global Warming? Non-issue. Worse yet, government sponsored fear mongering.

Economic Collapse? Non-Issue. Worse yet, government sponsored fear mongering.

Health Care Crisis? Non-Issue. Worse yet, government sponsored fear mongering.

Offshore Oil Development? Non-Issue. Worse yet, government sponsored fear mongering.

Israeli Aggression? Non-Issue. Worse yet, government sponsored fear mongering.

Gays in the Military? Non-Issue. Less than 1% of the population engages in such perverted behavior.

Gay Marriage? Non-Issue. Even less of these people actually want to be married.

If you think about it, we have wasted a LOT of time and effort debating on these non-issues.

Let's agree that trying Terroriists or suspected Terrorists on U.S. soil is a non-issue.

Real Issues? Jobs #1 of course. More than that we have to be investing in new technologies, developing new businesses.

Global Warming IS an issue. Even if you dismiss any component of man made contributions, the earth is warming. Maybe we can do nothing about influencing the temperature rise, but to ignore it, is bonehead. Now the armchair weatherforecastes will look out their window and say "what global warming?".

Health Care is an issue. Ignoring that is also bonehead. Reaching an agreement on what to do about it, is the issue.

DADT. Issue. GP, Admiral Mullen, and many more Military leaders disagree with you. Frankly I'll pay more attention to their judgment.

Economic collapse? Real issue. Let's presume the government wouldn't have stepped in and saved AIG, and many other major banks.

Let GM going bellyup. How many people would be unemployed? We might have 20 million unemployed.

However, getting serious about jobs, and developing new markets, new businesses, that is job 1.

GP, if you want to have a serious discussion, bring serious arguments.

BCapp? Good enough?

Chris,

Thanks

Robert Capp

Chris: Jobs are the #1 issue?

Welcome to what I have been saying for over a year. Glad you got there. Send Obama a letter letting him know. He seems to have missed the memo.

As for the DADT revelation that our military leaders should be making the decision (based on military readiness, not political correctness), it appears you have changed your mind since that is what G.W. Bush had to say. Now, if we can get some support for their position not being politically based..ie, real tangible values this would add to our military readiness??

GP. I didn't see GW demonstrating any leadership in the DADT space. I didn't see GW following Military leaders advice in regards to Afghanistan. It's too late with revisionist history. Don't bother trying to throw any curveballs my way :)

GP, you said this less than a week ago "Thanks for reminding us all about the fiasco on Terrorism. Trying terrorists as criminals has already led to a huge security breach. The panty-bomber has lawyered up and is refusing to provide intelligence that may save American lives and prevent another major disaster."

Gee, we've been trying Terrorists in Civilian Courts now for something like 10 straight years. Are you now willing to admit you were mistaken, and I'm being more than generous with that characterization.

Gee, it also seems the panty-bomber is talking like a canary. Strike 2.

chris:

a) Where do you get your "panty bomber is talking like a canary" story? Oh, from the Obama administration. Right.

b) Was he talking on Jan 2nd? What if his friends had been planning a big hit on that day?

c) No, I am not mistaken. Trying foreign nationals in US court is a horrible idea.

GP, your talking points lack credibility.

Immediately after the failed Christmas Day attack, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was thoroughly interrogated and provided important information. Senior counterterrorism officials from the White House, the intelligence community and the military were all actively discussing this case before he was Mirandized and supported the decision to charge him in criminal court.

Cries to try terrorists only in military courts lack foundation. There have been three convictions of terrorists in the military tribunal system since 9/11, and hundreds in the criminal justice system -- including high-profile terrorists such as Reid and 9/11 plotter Zacarius Moussaoui.

Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda. GP. You want to be labeled an Al Quaida roadie? Keep talking then.

Politics should never get in the way of national security. But too many in Washington are now misrepresenting the facts to score political points, instead of coming together to keep us safe.

All the money and resources wasted in haiti... could have gone to help the homeless and truley needy!

All the money wasted in afghanistan could have gone toward health care.....

Instead of political One-upmanship on captured terrorist.... make an EFIN decision and stick to it! I lean toward military courts.. just me.....

Gays... who cares!

Its time to quit talking and start working on renewable energy of ALL KINDS! Jobs #1

Didn't the underwear bomber give up a lot of accurate and valuable info after he was read his rights and without torture?

Crishamm, your talking points lack credibility. Yes, we have had court trials for "terrorist" actions, one right here in our area. A group of local individuals that were involved with "ELF". Those convicted have or are serving time for arson, in connection with their view on what has been known as "economic sabotage and guerrilla warfare to stop the exploitation and destruction of the environment". ELF

Your number 300 is a talking point brought up by Eric Holder, it doesn't breakdown organization like ELF and PETA that have carried out terrorist type attacks. You use it as a means to convey what you have garnered from opinions you agree with. The underwear bomber should not be tried in our court system, even if the shoe bomber was. Both sides make mistakes, Obama had a chance to "look" good and didn't recognize it.

Fourgen. The number 300+, quoted by none other than Michael Mukaskey, Bush's last attorney general. Are you calling both President Bush, and the former Attormey General Liars?

The numbers speak for themselves.

You can stick your head in the sand, reguritate dead end talking points, and in the end, you got nothing.

Sounds like this "non-issue" is still an issue afterall.

Gold_Panner: Hate to tell ya...McVeigh is so 90s...

The 300+ Terrorists that have been tried and convicted in U.S. Civilian courts since 2001 are foreign terrorists who are part of an organized terrorists org. You're attempting to make a distinction without a difference.

Chrishamm;

You are mistaken. The "pantybomber" was NOT thoroughly interrogated as you and your obamafans claim. He was stopped short of giving critical information about imminent attacks, and the element of surprise needed to find and catch his trainers/network was lost. The wool over your eyes is so thick it needs combing. That "300" figure is interesting. It's like the fish that got away...just keeps growing every time the tale is told.

"Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda." Hmmmmmm....Obama's exact words. We all hear what the Clown-in-Chief says, but he has NO credibility on any front -- especially national security. "The One" needs to go back to Chicago neighborhood organizing and his ACORN buddies because he knows NOTHING about administering a government agency of ANY size, nor do his hacks he brought in to push his pathetic agenda. But that's another topic.

Ooops. Not Obama's quote. John Brennan, Obama's incompetent hack said it.

"Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda."

Ie. we should all just keep our mouths shut.

Right.

J-P, I have it through a great source that he would not talk, they had to Melvin him, he then sang like a canary.

One thing is for sure, the only terrorist executed has been McVeight.

Deja and Fourgen. The Peat, and Re-Peat of this forum.

Why don't you just put the bag of Cheeto's, wipe off your fingers, pull up your sweat pants, and walk over to the computer and do a little research. Check out those "300". The number is actually higher. The information is not hard to find.

You know why you don't have the guts to do that? Let's see if you have the guts, I'll give you that chance to "man up". A challenge I've issued to others on this forum to back up their talk.

I won't name them, they know they lack what it takes (character).

The clock is ticking.

President Bush took great pride in fighting Terrorism, bringing Terrorists to justice inside Civilian Courts, and inside Military Tribunals.

You and the wailers in Congress have been silent as a Church mouse for 8 years, while Foreign born Terrorists have been tried in U.S. Civilian Courts, and convicted in U.S. Courts.

Yes, Mike Gruber there is an issue. There are people in this Country who love to say "country first", yet their actions ring hollow. Selling their souls.....................

Let me borrow Loomis's closing line from his great post on "the lack of a Homosexual agenda" on another thread.....

Have a great day.

Lie about the issue, then an attempt to marginalize the president by calling him the Clown-in-Chief, interjecting "Acorn". All talking points of the GOP.

the U.S. Supreme Court, in 2008, issued a highly publicized opinion, in Boumediene v. Bush, which, by itself, makes clear how false is the claim that the Constitution applies only to Americans. The Boumediene Court held that it was unconstitutional for the Military Commissions Act to deny habeas corpus rights to Guantanamo detainees, none of whom was an American citizen (indeed, the detainees were all foreign nationals outside of the U.S.). If the Constitution applied only to U.S. citizens, that decision would obviously be impossible. What's more, although the decision was 5-4, none of the 9 Justices -- and, indeed, not even the Bush administration -- argued that the Constitution applies only to American citizens. That is such an inane, false, discredited proposition that no responsible person would ever make that claim.

As such anyone who says Miranda rights did not need to be provided, are either lying, or woefully uninformed about the Constitution. I think it's a little bit of both.

A document from John Ashcroft's Department of Justice in 2005 praises the work done by criminal prosecutors to put terrorists behind bars.

"Altogether, the Department has brought charges against 375 individuals in terrorism-related investigations, and has convicted 195 to date," the 24-page memo reads. "While every component within the Justice family has contributed to the fight against terror, the men and women of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Criminal Division, the U.S. Attorney's Offices, and the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review have led the Department's work to protect America from terror."

These were all tried in Civiilian Courts.